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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:09 am 
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swellafelon wrote:
I don't know how this would work in the real world, but I think the athletic department should be funded, at least in part, from the school's marketing budget, because athletics is one of the primary ways a school brands and sells itself, keeps itself in the public eye, and connects itself to its alumni.


I think that's a smart idea, and it makes a lot more sense than expecting Athletics to fill the arena and bring in sponsors on a shoestring budget.

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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:26 am 
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LU 86 wrote:
I've never know Loyola athletics to actually have a marketing budget.


I'm talking about the University's overall marketing budget. Have the University allocate a percentage of its overall marketing budget to support the athletic department on the theory that athletics is a marketing tool for the entire university, not just the athletic program itself.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:39 am 
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gotcha, i misread that one.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:16 pm 
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There are very few schools where the athletics division is self-supporting or brings in a small profit, and most don't even come close. Think how much it costs to staff and travel with sports that bring in little or nothing in revenue, like soccer, softball, golf, baseball, track, cross country, and tennis. Only schools like Michigan, filling the football stadium eight times a year and making some revenue from men's baskeball, get close to making enough revenue aside from fundraising to pay for expenses for all of athletics. And I'm not counting facilities, medical, and other line items that rightfully should be part of the athletics department.

Even our men's volleyball team, with three coaches and 15 players making fewer trips than a typical year and winning the national championship probably didn't break even in its own right in 2014. Total home attendance for the year was a little over 20,000-- including the two NCAA matches-- but a lot of that number was students who paid for admittance through an activities fee that goes throughout athletics.

Athletics has tremendous value as a student amenity, a marketing tool, and other returns on investments, so it's worth it to pay a few million dollars for it. Schools like NAIA Robert Morris use athletics heavily as a marketing, recruiting and retention tool. Roosevelt University a few years ago re-started their athletics in Division III for that same reason.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:19 pm 
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the last report I read showed only six schools that showed a profit. if that's not a broken system i don't know what is. why would you follow that path if change was in the air and there was a golden opportunity to change.
I do feel there are a lot of accounting tricks going on with those numbers. You can also see how bloated departments have become.
I do know that Kelly feels athletics aren't needed to attract students, after all there's a waiting list at Loyola. (I don't even know what to say about that statement.) This is the person who's in charge of athletics.
on a side note: all of Loyola's athletics are funded by the students. We don't charge a line item but the funds do come from tuition. where else would they come from. that 's between 1600 and 1700 per student.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:19 pm 
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LU 86 wrote:
Athletics reports to Tom Kelly


I thought Rob Kelly left when Calhoun did and was replaced by an interim VP for Student Development, Jane Neufeld, who was the Dean of Students. Did I - once again - miss something?


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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:21 pm 
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LU 86 wrote:
I do know that Kelly feels athletics aren't needed to attract students, after all there's a waiting list at Loyola. (I don't even know what to say about that statement.) This is the person who's in charge of athletics.


True, but Garanzini has said he is dedicated to the basketball program. Now, maybe he is blowing smoke, but I don't think so.

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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:23 pm 
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LU 86 wrote:
Athletics reports to Tom Kelly


I thought Rob Kelly left when Calhoun did and was replaced by an interim VP for Student Development, Jane Neufeld, who was the Dean of Students. Did I - once again - miss something?


Rob Kelly left. Tom Kelly is still there.

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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:49 pm 
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Rob Kelly left. Tom Kelly is still there.


OK, thanks. But doesn't the AD report to VP for Student Development who reports to the President? Or is Tom Kelly in that chain? More important, who does the search committee report to?


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 Post subject: Re: 2014-15 Schedule
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:14 pm 
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Tom Kelly is in charge of athletics. Father Mike will give a thumbs up or down on the decision of the search committee that's completely controlled by Kelly. Since the AD reports to Kelly I would be surprised if he doesn't get who he decides he wants.


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