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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 8:30 pm 
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I see where WSU wants to add football and join the West Coast Conf. Fine by me--Would hate to lose them , but I am OK with it. Perhaps then the Valley could add Valpo and Detroit as the League would be more compact. Maybe even tempt the Billikens to make 12 teams.

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 Post subject: Re: Valley
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 8:41 pm 
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I think you mean Mountain West (New Mexico, UNLV, Colorado State), not West Coast (Gonzaga, Pepperdine, San Diego). But there are many high bars and heavy lifts that will take years before they're able or ready to bolt.


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I would love to see Detroit added, but that would change the ratio of government to private schools which seems to be a big deal with some members of the Valley.

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 10:51 pm 
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OOOPS I meant Mountain West !! My age creeping in again.

64 may be correct but balance in Hoops is difficult and getting more so. I think the 'Publics" would go along with an unbalanced league because of compactness --Maybe not , but I would like to think so. Maybe go really big--16 teams --add Detroit Valpo St Louis East Ill Indy Ft Wayne Belmont and one other --Name one !!!


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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 7:50 am 
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Right now The Shockers are the bell cow in the Valley, only team with national foot print. I think the Valley should accommodate them by trying to add a couple teams closer to their fan base and get them in the Valley Football conference. Then the Valley could go east and west Divisions. Maybe university of Missouri Kansas City, University of Nebraska-Omaha . Denver University, or university of South Dakota.

Also have to wonder how the shoe shuffling of the Illinois Legislature and their Howdy Doody Governor will effect the health of the athletic departments of SIU and Ill. St


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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:22 am 
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The MVC will not do anything to try and make Wichita happy. And I don't think there are any teams that would do so if added. If Wichita brings back football, we will have little desire to play in the MVFC as we'll be looking to FBS as soon as possible. I also don't think the MVFC wants to expand and isn't going to do so for a school looking to bolt.

If we leave and the MVC replaces us with a public school, which would be expected, I believe the top options would be UIC, Milwaukee, SIU-E, UMKC and Omaha. Probably in that order or close to it. The MVC seems like they want things as tight as possible for some reason so UMKC and Omaha are probably long shots unless UNI leaves at some point for the MAC. Then one of those would be added to benefit Drake. I could see the MVC trying to double down on Chicago or add SIU-E because it's close to STL.

IF they look at private schools I'd guess Valpo is the easy favorite. Outside of that, I'm not sure if there's an attractive private school in the area to add. They could look to offset the loss of a travel partner for MSU by adding ORU, but it's also no secret that MSU wants to join the SunBelt if they can get things in order.

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 Post subject: Re: Valley
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:52 am 
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I need some educating on this matter.....
Loyola moving to the Valley has been in my observation, has been nothing but a great experience.
The level of play and the media coverage is way better than we had in the Horizon League.
What I don't seem to know is the history of schools leaving the Valley and why?
Even now, what is the draw for any member schools to leave for another conference.
As to incoming new member schools, it would be disappointing to me if we diluted the
level of basketball by adding a new school just because of the geographic convenience.
I know thats how some existing schools apparently thought when LU came in the mix, BUT
assume and support LU efforts to be up to speed and competitive at this level. I also think the Chicago market,
if we play up to the level expected, is a huge plus for the Valley. Am I not thinking
clearly to think the Valley conference wants to become a more eminent basketball conference.
I welcome anyone's observations here....
I guess I am hoping to hear that the conference is committed to getting more competitive, not diluted.


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 Post subject: Re: Valley
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 3:19 pm 
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The Valley is the second oldest conference in college athletics, founded in 1907. At various points, Valley membership included Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma A&M (now Oklahoma State), Missouri, Nebraska, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, and St. Louis. Drake is the only remaining original school from the conference's founding, but Bradley and Wichita State have been members since the 1940s.

Big time college football has always been a volatile issue in MVC history. Even the founding date of the conference is disputed, because like the history of the Big East-- where the name remains after a complicated history of consolidation and departures on various grounds, there's some controversy as to whether the old Big Eight Conference (which folded into the current Big 12 in the 1990s) or the Missouri Valley is the original institution. From the Wikipedia page on the Big Eight Conference (written from the perspective that the Big Six/Eight was the original institution, and the MVC was the spin off):

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At a meeting in Lincoln, Nebraska, on May 19, 1928, the conference split up. Six of the seven state schools (all except Oklahoma A&M) formed a conference that was initially known as the Big Six Conference.[2] Just before the start of fall practice, the six schools announced they would retain the MVIAA name for formal purposes. However, fans and media continued to call it the Big Six. The three private schools – Drake, Grinnell, and Washington University – joined with Oklahoma A&M, becoming known as the Missouri Valley Conference (MVC).[7] The similarity of the two conferences' official names, as well as the competing claims of the two conferences, led to considerable debate over which conference was the original and which was the spin-off, though the MVIAA went on to become the more prestigious of the two. For the remainder of the Big Eight's run, both conferences claimed 1907 as their founding date, as well as the same history through 1927. To this day, it has never been definitively established which conference was the original.


More recently, schools like Tulsa (member from 1935 to 1996) and New Mexico State (member from 1970 to 1983) left to join the old Western Athletic Conference (when it had Utah and UNLV) and Big West (I think... going by memory) conferences respectively, primarily because of football. Those two conferences evolved into the Mountain West (without New Mexico State, who remains in the WAC), and Tulsa later joined the American (including many football-playing former Big East schools). West Texas State left in 1985 to drop to Division II, and Creighton left (for the second time) in 2013.

Right now, football is driving college athletics. The revenue from ticket sales, TV contracts, and chances to tap alumni for donations is immense compared to our little part of the world. At schools like Michigan, Florida, and Notre Dame, football finances their entire athletic departments with budgets bordering on nine figures-- any profit from basketball is just gravy. So the conference alignment is totally dictated by football-- whether you have it, what level you play, how good you are, your football attendance, your football facilities, your rivals in the sport, etc.

Personally, I wonder if the mania for football can be sustained. With medical information about the dangers of playing football, the extreme numbers of scholarships needed to field teams at the college level, land and costs for facilities, saturation of the sport from pee wee to pro, and the potential of alternatives like soccer, I think there's a good chance it will level off, and some chance it could fade. But if the Koch Brothers want to write a check for $90 million and a few other fans and alumni want to join in for a million here and a million there, why wouldn't WSU jump on the bandwagon?


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 Post subject: Re: Valley
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:17 pm 
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I recently read a book on college football (can't remember the name). The SEC and a few other schools make tons of money on the sport, but most schools lose money on the sport, which, at least marginally, drives tuition up. When I was at LUC, the Missouri Valley was the best basketball conference in the country, as my brother who went to Bradley often reminds me. In fact, we beat a MVC team to win the 1963 title.


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 Post subject: Re: Valley
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:33 pm 
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Hey how about Rambler football? We were 4-4 last year. Next year Michigan State is on the schedule!!! Is that possible?
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I remember the team when I was at LU....lots of fun on a fall afternoon at Guardian Angel Orphanage


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