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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:59 am 
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SisterJean wrote:

A Clayton Custer corner three-pointer [against Miami] on a high school hammer play with under a minute left that put us in position to hit that game winner, but guess what? Porter has run that same play like four times this season in "need a three" moments and it hasn't been successful once.


https://arizonasports.com/story/1463860 ... me-winner/

Why are you seemingly disparaging that particular play by labelling it "high school" when its execution received universal praise at the time and is run by many NBA teams?


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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:23 am 
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The good Sister also fails to mention that Miami, Tennessee, and Nevada all had significantly more raw talent than our squad. All built pretty significant leads against us at times, and we never panicked and came back against every one of them. Call me crazy, but I take that as a sign of great coaching.

And it’s apparently now a bad thing that a top 100 recruit is in the stands for a win against a conference contender, in one of the best atmospheres Gentile has ever seen (a credit to the program Porter built up from the basement). Who knew


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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:35 am 
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01grad wrote:
The good Sister also fails to mention that Miami, Tennessee, and Nevada all had significantly more raw talent than our squad. All built pretty significant leads against us at times, and we never panicked and came back against every one of them. Call me crazy, but I take that as a sign of great coaching.

And it’s apparently now a bad thing that a top 100 recruit is in the stands for a win against a conference contender, in one of the best atmospheres Gentile has ever seen (a credit to the program Porter built up from the basement). Who knew


That, too. You can say whatever you want about last night's game and not get an argument from me, but I think the majority of this post was pretty off-base.

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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:52 am 
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I respect the comments by "Sister Jean' but completely disagree.

I will take Porter Moser over ANY Loyola basketball coach EVER in the program.
He pulled this program out of the mediocrity and we were the laughing stock and punching bag of the Horizon League.
Now we are respected and climbing. HE graduates players, the players are good citizens and are ambassadors for the university, the scheduling is better, the league is better,the recruits are better, his coaches are wanted by other programs, he demands excellence, he gets results, he interfaces with the alumni and is an icon in Chicago.We are invited to pre season tourneys all over. He won the CBI, won two MVC titles, made the Final Four and the NIT, He is a great family man with a great wife and great children. When I go out of town and mention Loyola people mention the Final Four. When I wear the T shirt or sweat shirt on the plane, people say they remember that year and that team. That is forever and he brought that respect. He is an icon.

As for coaching and game day decisions, we can argue about those but I always remember I sit in the stands and I pay to get in.
He does not. He is on the floor directing the action.

NO ONE WORKS HARDER THAN HIM.

WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE HIM. HE COULD HAVE GONE TO OTHER SCHOOLS.

fyi: buy his book. Great read, great learning points at the end of each chapter.


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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:03 am 
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This is a trolling post, right?

Brutal honesty? Sorry, Sister, more like brutally ignorant. Porter is the best thing that has happened to Loyola since Al, Fred, Rick and Hughes arrived on campus. You may have issues with his substitutions and his game plan, but he has done something that no one at Loyola has done in 30 years. He won. He wins games. He has won back to back MVC regular season titles. You may not like the way he coaches, but he has a system and it's his brand. I sometimes disagree with what he does, but I respect him for sticking to what he does. He has a plan and they execute it well.

Did you follow LU basketball before Porter? We haven't had a player drafted in the NBA since 1987. Our school is in basketball mecca and we couldn't get anyone interested in our program: no players, no publicity, no students. Our program was a middle of the pack Horizon League team with an asterisk because we won a title in 1963 and made a run in 1984-5. I describe us as "middle of the pack" team because it is too painful to state how irrelevant we were. All the teams we played when I was in school had moved on to bigger and better things: Xavier, Butler, Marquette, St Louis, Depaul, and even, UIC, had left us far behind.

We made a run to the Final Four with kids that were too small, too slow and castoffs from other programs. Those kids don't get a chance at better programs. Porter put those pieces together. He made two players of the year. You can say it was his assistants, the kid's talent, luck, whatever, but he was at the helm. He gets fired if we don't do well. He should get credit when we win. We are relevant. We weren't relevant for 30 years.

Last night was one game. Let's remember where we are. We have seven new players. We have new coaches. This is a rebuilding season and we are right in the mix.


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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
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The good Sister’s post was so over the top and wrong it makes me wonder if it was just a troll job by Porter Moser himself to get us defending him and the program, giving us a positive feeling about it all, after such a bad loss.


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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:10 am 
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Or maybe it was really Sister Jean herself!
She can be "brutally honest" at times.


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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
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There's a lot here to pick apart. I'll just add 2. The Nevada game we started our usual 5. Krutwig only got 13 minutes that game (he average 24 in the other games) because we adjusted our strategy to fit what Nevada was doing. Without that, and I'm sure Nevada wins.

Also, to say the 2018 team would've been fine because it was so talented overlooks one thing. The only reason we had the talent was due to the recruiting done by Porter. No one on that team was from Illinois Wolves so it wasn't the Mullins connection. This isn't the NBA where you draft players, sign players, and inherit teams put together by the GM where can just "coach" a team that has a ton of talent a la Steve Kerr or Tyronn Lue. You have to go out and convince players to come to your school over others. I probably could coach last year's Duke team deep into the tournament with Zion Williamson, RJ Barrett, and Cam Reddish, but Coach K only got them to the Elite 8. He must be a terrible coach, and maybe they should fire him and let me take over the Duke program. :roll: Only difference may be he can get those players and they probably wouldn't want to play for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
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swellafelon wrote:
Or maybe it was really Sister Jean herself!
She can be "brutally honest" at times.


I knew that she emails Porter after games, but this is not what I pictured.

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 Post subject: Re: Brutal Honesty
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Exactly what I expected out of the responses. The same attitude that results in 30+ year tournament droughts. Are we really calling a season in which we had three potential MVC MVPs on the team and failed to make the tournament successful? Guess what...Regular season championships don’t matter in this conference. We got an auto bid to the NIT. Wow! If you guys want to consider that successful that’s on you.
Now it’s looking like back to back seasons missing the dance. With the financial commitment the basketball program got from the school, we deserve better. The window is only open for so long and we aren’t capitalizing. It wouldn’t surprise me to see us lose on Friday this year. I guess we might have different expectations. It seems like this board is happy putting a middling mid-major team out there every year and living off the past. I’m not expecting a final four every year, but if Porter has the vision I’ve been led to believe for this program, we need to be in the tournament every year. You can’t have it both ways. If you want a big time program to be proud of, you need to be able to answer the noise and live up to expectations. Quit taking it easy on this team on the forum. We’ve lost three of four games but have the most talented roster in the conference. You can applaud him for assembling the team but don’t ignore the lack of development. Loyola is better than this. We are winners! We need to hold our club to a higher standard. Our school can be consistently nationally relevant. Expectations and accountability come with this. We should expect nothing less than excellence. It’s what Loyola deserves.


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