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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:26 pm 
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This is going to be a fascinating week. We need to win all 3 of these games. We have been mediocre at the worst possible time of the season. The NCAA Committee places some stock into how teams are playing now and how they are trending. In these regards, since Kennedy got hurt we are 3-2 and not playing crisp, consistent basketball.

We need 3 impressive wins, not just 3 squeakers. We should beat ISU and Evansville by double digits and then we have to go NIU and play like a team that wants it and is gonna take it. Can this group do that? I do not know. So many things we do wrong that add up during these games (poor defensive rebounding, getting beat back door, not showing on screens and going underneath allowing good clean open 3 looks) which just have not been corrected. Can we correct these things for not just these 3 games, but for the remainder of our season, no matter how long it may be? I don’t know, but it why these three games are going to be good theatre.


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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:09 pm 
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The path is clear.

Six wins

No other words are necessary.


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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:41 pm 
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AMDG wrote:
The path is clear.

Six wins

No other words are necessary.


If you're saying the only path is through St Louis, then it's three wins and the rest of this week doesn't matter. Unless you think we can only win Arch Madness if we get the number 1 seed.

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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:49 am 
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So for what it is worth...Greenberg from the SUN-TIMES told Rambler fans in the paper today to accept that the only way in for the Ramblers is to win Arch Madness......just one man's opinion...but he does go on my most wanted list along with Wil Wheaton.


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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:21 am 
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I mean I think he's right. Whether he should be right or not is another question but I think he is.


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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:05 pm 
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natetheskate wrote:
So for what it is worth...Greenberg from the SUN-TIMES told Rambler fans in the paper today to accept that the only way in for the Ramblers is to win Arch Madness......just one man's opinion...but he does go on my most wanted list along with Wil Wheaton.


maybe they get in if the both win the MVC regular season title and get to the tournament championship game but lose. That would put them at 25-7. That is a lot of losses for a not great schedule

The aren't exactly passing the eye test either.


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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:07 pm 
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what are the tie breakers for the conference.

I think the 2-4 teams are all going to be sitting at 13-5.


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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:13 pm 
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AMDG wrote:
what are the tie breakers for the conference.

I think the 2-4 teams are all going to be sitting at 13-5.


Copied from the MVC Website

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Beginning in 2018-19, the NCAA Evaluation Tool (N.E.T.) had replaced the RPI as the primary ranking metric used by the Division I Men’s Basketball Committee as part of the selection process. And the Missouri Valley Conference will use N.E.T. ratings as part of its men's basketball tournament seeding tiebreaker for the first time in March 2019.

N.E.T. Explained (PDF)

Tournament Tiebreaker System
Regular-season standings are the determining factor in setting first-round pairings for the State Farm MVC Tournament. All ties will be broken starting at the top of the Conference standings and working down. The tie-breaking system for seeding of the State Farm MVC Tournament, regardless of whether a tie involves two or more teams, will utilize the following factors, in order, until all ties are broken.

Two-way Ties
1. Records in head-to-head competition are compared, with the higher seed going to the team that has won the most games against the other.
2. If head-to-head competition does not break the tie, the deadlock will be broken using the NCAA Evaluation Tool (N.E.T.), as published by the NCAA on the morning after the final regular-season MVC games. The team with the better N.E.T. rating will receive the higher seed.

Multiple Ties
1. If three or more teams are tied, regular-season competition among the tied schools shall be pooled into a “mini round-robin.” Teams shall be ranked according to their position in such a round-robin.
2. If head-to-head competition does not break the tie, the deadlock will be broken using the NCAA Evaluation Tool (N.E.T.), as published by the NCAA on the morning after the final regular-season MVC games. Team will be seeded based on their N.E.T. rating.

From 2016-18, the league utilized the overall adjusted RPI, as published in The RPI Report on the morning after the final regular-season MVC game. From 2011-15, the league utilized non-conference schedule strength as its second step (after head-to-head). From 1993-2010, the MVC utilized a point-system tiebreaker, which awarded point values to home/away victories that were assigned to a team based on its position in the final regular-season standings.


Obviously lots of of possibilities to lay out but think the most likely are the following.

Win tonight, win Saturday, Missouri State/Drake/UNI win out =
1. Loyola
2. UNI (3-1 round robin)
3. Missouri State (2-2 round robin)
4. Drake (1-3 round robin)

Win tonight, lose Saturday, Missouri State/Drake/UNI win out =
1. UNI
2. Missouri State (3-1 round robin)
3. Drake (2-2 round robin)
4. Loyola (1-3 round robin)

If Drake or Missouri State were to lose a game, in a single tiebreaker with Missouri State we spilt the head to head, win on NET. Lose a tie breaker to Drake as the swept us.

Missouri State ends Bradley at home, Evansville on the road. Drake ends Valpo on the road, Southern Illinois at home. UNI is at Indiana State, then has us.

And for good measure Matt Hackman's seeding probabilities as of Monday.





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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:35 pm 
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Finishing 4th would be such a huge disappointment. Let's win out and not leave anything up to chance or tie-breakers.


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 Post subject: Re: Path to the Dance
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:11 pm 
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This time of the year the media and bracket guys are such hypocrites. I heard an announcer recently trying to pump up a lower lever P5 team. His argument is that the conference is so tough, everyone can have a bad day or two. Fact of the matter is most conference play is difficult because everyone in the conference knows your system and personnel. Take us for example. We have guys in our program for 5, 4, 3 years without much turnover. There are no secrets or surprises for the most part. So we will have no bad losses, held our own in Quad 1 and 2 games, but will be penalized for not running the table in the MVC. True we have not looked good lately, but why does that take away from the body of work.

I, like many of you watch a lot of college hoops. There are teams getting a lot of pub that are not that good in the Mid Major Category, but they are doing really good in bad leagues. I think as far as Mid Major ball is concerned, the MVC top to bottom is better that most. MVC just does not get any respect. The big teams have shown they can lose to anyone. The Big 10 had much hype and bombed in the NCAA last year. The PAC 12 got no respect and they had a dominate tournament.

The people making the decisions really don't much about College Hoops. BTW, I saw a bracket that had us playing Illinois in the second round AGAIN! No lie.


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