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| Author: | JCT [ Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
Saturday, February 25, 2017 7:00 p.m. SIU Arena, Carbondale, Ill. After Loyola’s devastating 67-61 home loss to Southern Illinois on February 4, it looked like the Salukis (then 8-5 in conference) might cruise to a third-place finish. But Barry Hinson’s unpredictable team followed their road win at Loyola with a dismal stretch—a loss at UNI where the two teams combined for 86 points (and SIU on the short end with only 41 points), a home loss to Evansville, a 19-point home loss to Wichita State, a win at Indiana State, and another loss scoring in the 40s at Illinois State. It leaves the two teams, Loyola and SIU, stumbling and deadlocked at 8-9 in the standings as they face each other on the final day of the regular season. A Loyola win on Saturday means a lot of really good things for the Ramblers: It means a .500 conference record for the first time in the MVC and for the first time since 2006-07. Loyola has already clinched at least a 5th place finish, already their best since joining the MVC, but a Loyola win and a UNI loss hosting Illinois State would give Loyola a 3rd place seeding for Arch Madness. And a win on Saturday night would allow Loyola to capture their 2nd 20-win season in the past three years if they can get a W in St. Louis. The Salukis like to dictate the pace, and get their opponents into a plodding half-court game, where an effective 2-3 zone tends to drive their opponents nutty and frustrated. Generally, keeping the ball from going inside to Sean O’Brien is the best way to limit the Saluki offense. O’Brien smoked Loyola for 19 points on 9-of-11 shooting from the field in their last meeting, while point guard Mike Rodriguez and forward/center Thik Bol made a combined 17 trips to the free throw line. That can’t happen again in the rematch if the Ramblers hope to win. Loyola needs to keep SIU off the free throw line, deny the ball inside to O’Brien, and improve on their 27.8% three-point shooting from their last meeting. The Salukis have generally been a below average team at home, managing only a 4-4 record in conference and 9-6 overall at home. While the Ramblers have a terrible record on the road in conference (2-6), almost all those games have been within one basket from a win: a four-point loss at Drake, a double-overtime three-point loss at Northern Iowa, a one-point overtime loss at Missouri State, a two-point loss at Evansville, and an in-and-out buzzer-beating three-pointer missing by millimeters resulting in a two-point loss at Illinois State. That’s FIVE road conference games—all losses-- decided by a total of 12 points and three overtimes. Getting a win at SIU, getting a .500 record in conference for the first time, and possibly getting a 3 seed at Arch Madness would go a long way toward forgetting about those five tough road losses. Loyola game notes: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/loy ... 224aaa.pdf Southern Illinois game notes: http://siusalukis.com/documents/2017/2/24//Notes.pdf TV/Streaming video: ESPN3 ( http://www.espn.com/watchespn/index/_/i ... n-illinois ) Vegas odds: Loyola by 1 |
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| Author: | alap3 [ Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
Let's get the win and head to St. Louis on a 2 game win streak. Go Ramblers! |
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| Author: | RamblinTank22 [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
Interesting point that I heard somewhere and then looked up and it's true. Barry Hinson has never lost a senior night game in his 15 years as a head coach. I'd love to go out and win regardless of whether we get Wichita or ISU in St. Louis as a result, but won't be upset if we end up in the 5 seed. I know Porter will have our guys ready to play every game during Arch Madness. |
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| Author: | Pope Jump Ball II [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
This is a tough one to pick, even for somebody infallible like me. I think Porter is smart enough to take a strategic view of the situation and realize that maybe the Ramblers would be better served at Arch Madness by playing in the 4/5 game, meaning that a loss at SIU might not be an unmixed calamity. We would likely get a rematch with SIU in the quarterfinals. The folk wisdom that it's hard to beat a team three times in a row would be in play against the Salukis at Arch Madness. If we win we'd probably face the Redbirds instead of the Shockers in the semis, which is to our advantage as well. I'm not saying that Porter won't try to win, but he might be more willing to rest the starters and experiment with different schemes against the Salukis if he takes the long view. So, my infallable prediction (written in CAPS because I'm speaking ex CAPthedra) is: SALUKIS WILL BEAT THE RAMBLERS 67-64. |
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| Author: | 01grad [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
If the goal is to win the MVC Tournament, then playing WSU on Saturday is better than playing them on Sunday, IMHO. Their strength is their depth...and that's a big weakness for us. So if we're going to have to play them eventually, then then earlier the better. If we make it to Sunday we'll be running on fumes. Another advantage of being the three seed: not having to play the same team in back to back games. MSU is locked into the 6 seed. SIU is locked into either the 4 or 5 seed. After UNI's loss just now, we have a shot at the 3 seed with a win tonight. Oddly enough, our chances at that, based on RPI, took a hit last night thanks to our Horizon League out of conference opponents laying an egg in their games. |
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| Author: | swellafelon [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
Wolfgang, in only his second post ever on Ramblermania, made what might be the greatest post of all time on the board. It appeared originally in the Men's Volleyball forum, but it works equally well here. wolfgang wrote: Wishing the best of luck and success to our Ramblers tonight....a mighty test indeed!! Onward to victory men! We are not men, we are RAMBLERS! How can you not be inspired? |
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| Author: | GoRamblers [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
Not even 5 min in and Bol has 4 blocks. VERY not good. |
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| Author: | ahunte1 [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
I wonder if we talked about not going right at Bol? |
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| Author: | GoRamblers [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
ahunte1 wrote: I wonder if we talked about not going right at Bol? Nope. |
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| Author: | swellafelon [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SIU Preview and Game Thread -- 2/25/2017 |
We are not men; we are Ramblers! |
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