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 Post subject: Marshall Goes Ape
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:47 am 
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If you're not following the Shockers' exhibition trip to Canada, you're missing out. Gregg Marshall was T'd up in their first game apparently for telling the refs to "run the floor!". They lost their second game to a team that I guess is supposed to be good.

Then last night, in what was apparently a bloodbath of a game, the Shockers were losing in the 4th quarter, and Marshall got tossed. That's when the fun started. Here's video:



There's another angle on YouTube here.

For what it's worth, the Shockers came back to win the game. I guess Marshall embarrassed himself to motivate the team? In a meaningless exhibition.

I wonder what the record is for technical fouls on a foreign tour is?

In my opinion, Marshall is one of the biggest a-hole coaches I've ever seen. After the game he said: "I wasn’t going to do anything physical, but I wanted to make sure they understood what I felt was happening was incorrect and wrong." Thank goodness Judge Marshall was there to point out the incorrect officiating!

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 Post subject: Re: Marshall Goes Ape
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:28 am 
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Well. maybe he knows his team is NOT what has romped all over the Valley for some time now. He obviously cannot handle this. Way too early yet, but maybe the Shockers can be had. His idiotic behavior is unacceptable on its face. He and his team are guest in the Canadian house. I do noy relish saying this BUT the man may just be a JERK and is just now showing it


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:37 am 
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While it is somewhat entertaining to watch, it is really a ridiculous tantrum. If you fear for your players safety in a meaningless exhibition as he noted post game, pull them off the floor. I do feel that Wichita State and the Valley need to reprimand/punish him, doesn't matter if it is August in Canada. Imagine if a player acted out like this.


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 Post subject: Re: Marshall Goes Ape
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:13 am 
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Cringe worthy.

Getting upset with and getting T'd up by the refs is one thing. But ignoring your assistants and your OWN PLAYERS who are trying to hold you back isn't exactly a good look. I can't imagine Marshall would respond to well to McDuffie going on a tirade half as bad.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:08 am 
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That's embarrassing when Americans visit other countries and act like maniacs.

By the way, McGill is like the Harvard of Canada. So this isn't an obscure venue.


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 Post subject: Re: Marshall Goes Ape
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:29 pm 
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I didn't think a suspension for a regular season game would be out of the question, but...


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 Post subject: Re: Marshall Goes Ape
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:31 pm 
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I cannot stand this !! I trust Sub is as angry as we are--Is He ??? JCT has it correctly--Normal Americans are NOT UGLY--Of course Marshall IS not normal and he Is UGLY as DEMONstrated by his tirade.

BTW Lor and I visited Canada a lot--My work-- and escape-Fargo/Winnipeg come to mind plus ALL the major cities Montreal and West --We behaved --The Canadians welcomed us ALL THE TIME. To have that idiot sully my memories is disgusting--Sorry for making this personal BUT----

One game suspension is NOT enough. It will be telling to see what WSU and the Valley does !!!


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 Post subject: Re: Marshall Goes Ape
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:27 pm 
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Did he go a little too far? Yes. Was his being upset warranted? Absolutely. It was a very poorly and one sided officiated game. Getting homered in Canada was expected and not the issue, but it was insanely physical with a lot of nonbasketball type of plays that went uncalled and then some weak or phantom fouls called on us. We did have one player that ended up with a concussion and stitches. A few others were taken down pretty hard with no calls.

I don't disagree with those that said he could have just pulled the team off the court and I would have absolutely supported that. The officials did not have control of that game as far as safety is concerned. But 3G is a competitor and he's trying to teach his young team about fighting through it and working together. I have zero problems with the T's. The officiating was that bad. I have no problem with him wanting to let the officials know how much they truly sucked. Because they did. Could have done without the pushing of players in his way, but there was no harm in it either. Had they just let him vent to the officials this is mostly a non-story.

This wasn't just some fly off the handle thing either. Marshall is calculated and I believe can even be seen grinning at one point during it because he knew what he was doing and he lit a fire under the team in the process. And they responded during the rest of the game and into today's game.

On top of the insanely rough play, Wichita has not played with a lot of energy during this trip and shot very poorly. Marshall is an intense man and competitor and that's no secret. He wants his team to play with that same kind of fire and I think he showed them a little of that and hopefully the youngsters have caught on and know what's expected of them going forward.

For the record, as most of you I believe know, I spent a number of years officiating and do not blame them for much of anything and can normally understand why they do what they do and call or don't call what they do. But this was bad. Very bad. The last straw was when a McGill player went up and over (climbing) Zach Brown on a rebound attempt and Brown was somehow whistled for the foul. Prior to that, I believe Kelly was shoved in the back, Frankamp as cross checked in the back right in front of an official and went down hard. Neither of those had calls. There were a number of other things and it just built and built and built. The refs set the tone and what happened was because of how they decided to call the game.

I will also note that while the officiating after the ejection was still bad with a handful of phantom calls against Wichita, the muggings were called the rest of the game and that's really all he wanted taken care of.

So yes, he may have went a little too far. But I'm not the least bit embarrassed that we have a coach that will fight for his guys and do what he feels is necessary to protect them.

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 Post subject: Re: Marshall Goes Ape
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:29 am 
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It was what it was--See the film. It says all that is needed to see and know. Great example of leadership of young men NOT !!--Pitiful !! The players were more mature then was Marshall. Perhaps--Perhaps--his team was being homered--SO WHAT !! The games meant zilch nada NOTHING.

It is reported that WSU came back to win--Well, maybe the asst is the better man and coach !!


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 Post subject: Re: Marshall Goes Ape
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:29 am 
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brot4britu wrote:
It was what it was--See the film. It says all that is needed to see and know. Great example of leadership of young men NOT !!--Pitiful !! The players were more mature then was Marshall. Perhaps--Perhaps--his team was being homered--SO WHAT !! The games meant zilch nada NOTHING.

It is reported that WSU came back to win--Well, maybe the asst is the better man and coach !!


I like you brot but this is just ridiculous. The game meant nothing is correct. But that doesn't mean you allow the abuse of your players to go without saying something. Being homered is one thing. Allowing one team to play dangerously physical and the other not to be the least bit physical is dangerous. He stood up for his team and his team has appreciated it. What kind of leader throws his people under the bus and doesn't defend them from things like this? A very poor leader.

If all you have to base your judgments on is the small clip and not everything that led up to it, then you don't have a complete understanding of the circumstances surrounding it. He and everyone else admits that he may have gone a little too far, but he was in no way wrong for defending his guys from the abuse and unfair treatment they were subject to. Prior games had been bad with officiating but this went to a whole other level and at some point, enough is enough and you have to do/say something.

I've worked for people that will battle for me and defend me when needed. Those are people you want to work for and look up to. I've worked for people who were in it for themselves and were willing to throw you under the bus if it protected them or made them somehow look better to others. Working for them was a nightmare.

Had the style of rough play that was only getting worse been allowed to continue, we may have come home with more than one player injured in that game. McGill had to clean it up after that because Marshall obviously got to the officials and they started calling the really hard and unnecessary crap they had been letting go. They were still bad, but at least it became a safer environment.

So yes, he's a hell of a leader and one that many would want to play for because they know he has their back. And based off of comments and social media, the players sure as hell appreciate it and have his.

In the grand scheme of things, it's not that big of a deal and will be forgotten by most soon enough. Nobody was harmed and his team rallied together. There's a reason Marshall is talked about for just about every big job opening around. There's a reason he's making over 3M a year. There's a reason he's been the National Coach of the Year. There's a reason that players and fans love him. He's a competitor who has fought for everything he's ever gotten. He's worked his ass off to achieve. He expects the same from his players. He's fiercely loyal to not only his players and family but to the community. He's very charitable and engaging and approachable. He's a winner and a leader. Like him or not, that's who he is and will continue to be.

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