Typo adjusting for all tournaments.

Monmouth beat 5 P6 teams OOC a couple years ago, including UCLA, Notre Dame, USC, and Georgetown, and was left out. Save the rhetoric. The problem is that 18% (6/32) of conferences represent 50% (5/10) of the selection committee. If there was any interest in objectivity, the selection committee would be equitably represented in conferences top to bottom.

Why are P6 schools privileged into half the committee every year? Because there’s something to hide. Those 5 members can just band together and effectively lock out any non-surefire mid majors.



This isn’t accounting for the realities of conference realignment. Beggars can’t be choosers. And there’s nowhere to go. MVC is ranked 8th. Above it are the P5 (impossible), Big East (already has a Chicago team), and AAC (already has a non-FB team). That makes the MVC the perfect fit for any league Loyola could realistically get into.

It’s also not accounting for the reality of the MVC. The league’s sent 2 programs to the Final Four in 5 years and 5 programs (7 teams) to the Sweet 16 in 12 years. This is with seeds of 4, 7, 7, 9, 9, 11, 13. No league does more with less in this tournament. 10 straight 1st round victories and a 3-1 record against Kansas since 2006 can attest to that.

Hency why MVC teams have an increasingly difficult time scheduling P6 games. Why do you think NC State bought us out?

To SisterJean you are making policy on exceptions instead of policy just like JCT. You are complaining about the system. Yet the system successfully accepted two teams from the MVC who made the final 4 right? But for every MVC there are ten other non power 5 conferences that have not sent teams not just to the final 4 but have had no success. Last time I did my math 5 years means only 20 slots. Loyola won their automatic bid because they were the best team. There will be a point where a NC State might not make a tournament because they walked away for a chance for a quality win. If the ACC stunk like the Big10 that might have happened. Nebraska went 13-5 in the Big10 and did not make the big dance. If Nebraska or PSU had scheduled Loyola and beaten them they might have made the big dance. So I don't see the midmajors other than the crummy midmajor teams being frozen out. Having Loyola on the schedule is going to be an asset. Scheduling any good team will be an asset.

No, the system did not successfully accept a Final Four team from the MVC. In fact, the system actively worked to exclude a Final Four team from the MVC that autobid’d its way in. The committee ranked Loyola behind San Diego St (!) on its publicly released S-Curve. This meant that a 27-5 team with a 22 rpi and 40 kenpom on Selection Sunday was not only out of the at-large field but also not even close to the bubble.

Mind you, this 27-5 22/40 team was 25-2 with Custer (starters out during 2-3 stretch) and would have had an RPI/KenPom roughly 10 spots higher with Custer. Yet the committee gave zero consideration to Loyola’s injury situation while publicly admitting giving Notre Dame injury consideration on Bonzie Colson (committee’s last team in until Davidson’s bid steal) and ND lost to IU and Ball St with Colson.

Why the double standard between Notre Dame and Loyola? Simple - the makeup of the committee. With 5/10 P6 AD’s, they were inherently biased and gave one the star player injury consideration the other wasn’t afforded.

I don't understand why this is so completely opaque and unfathomable for some people.

I guess That I am being obtuse JCT --#van so when I names this thread--
--Gratitude --That the RAMBLERS ignored all aspects of the FIX and actually eon our tourney--

--Arrogance--The fivers put in supar Football teams --we know who and from what conferences from which they came--hence St Mary's and MTS were cut
Lordy how it must have hurt them to have to exclude ND

--Hypocracy-- The Committee with their pompous statements re student athletes and how the NCAA watches over them--OOPS !! FBI ??

--GRATITUDE--For how the RAMBLERS and VILLANOVA socked it to them !!!

Now then. there are some forty or so conferences in today's HOOPS--Break up the Committee replace with one or two Reps from each Conf.
After all the Committee says it is for amateur athletics and NOT so much about $$$$$ --Truly FIXED correctly College Hoops can have a lot of BOTH !!!

FIX THIS or it will ALL come tumbling down !!!

We will have to agree to disagree. For every mid major that feels left out there will be a team in the Power 5 that will feel likewise. For me it is part of the charm of the tournament that nothing is taken for granted unless you win your conference automatic berth. The reality is there are more good teams in the power conferences than the mid majors. The MVC does not approach the talent level of the ACC. The reality is big schools in big conferences will have more chances because they play in the A league. If anyone wants to compare the MVC and say they are team for team as good as the teams in the ACC I will laugh you. This is not arrogance. This is reality. You put 9-9 FSU in the MVC they go 15-3 also.

Look at the 2nd place team. This is a technique I use for evaluating running backs. I take out the best and worse runs. Southern Illinois does not have a single quality win for the entire year. This is the reason why they did not go even to the NIT. If you look at Southern Illinois's roster you can see why. They have only one rotation player taller than 6 5, two if you count Wiley at 6 7. They do not rebound well. They do shoot well. They do not take long shots well. They do not hit FT well. If this team were in the Big10, they would battle with Rutgers for last place. They did not compete in any of their high quadrant games. Is anyone arguing that the 2nd place MVC team was shafted?

The committee is never going to get it right. There will always be teams left out. There are going to be conferences where there is only one or no legit teams. There is going to be a conference where there are two and on is left out. UM was a top ten team at the end of tourney. Yet Purdue and Cinci had higher seeds. It was real clear to me that at the end of the year UM was a better team. There is no way around this unless we go high school style and all teams make the tournament.

Here is what it comes down to. If you are the 2nd best team in a mid major conference like St Mary's you just have less room for error. I pointed out the missed opportuntities that St Mary's had. They lost to some bad basketball teams. In summary I am sure we will always find exceptions. But after watching this tournament I think the NCAA did a pretty good job making sure that the teams that did have a shot were in. The last team in was Syracuse. Is there anyone on this board that thinks that any MVC team other then Loyola could have competed with that team?

All I have to say is if Loyola dominates the MVC going foward the MVC is not doing Loyola any good. Club soccer has different leagues. So move up.

Milk you really have no actual idea of what you're talking about, looking at box scores and listed rosters on ESPN.com gives does not give you an idea of a teams strength's and weaknesses. Something you probably did not see in your review of Southern was the injury to Bol, or the fact that they played most of the year with about 6 scholarship players. The fact that they gutted out a 2nd place finish was incredibly impressive.

It is clear that you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and I would ask that you just leave the Loyola and Valley fan board to those who watch those games. We are not going to convince you that mediocre P5 teams are unfairly propped up by the quadrant system and youre not going to convince us that the facts of the situation are fake news.

The arguments really don’t matter. It’s all about the $ and Loyola’s run reinforced that for me. I had no idea how much $ the conferences got from the NCAA for their teams making it to certain points in the tournament!
The big conferences need to have the most $ to have the power and more teams in allows that to continue.
We’ve now created a system where majors can have LOSING conference records and get at large bids. That should never be acceptable especially when ACC bubble teams are losing to Boston College, who I watched play several times (against Syracuse also, since my wife is an alum).
BC would lose a lot of games in the MVC, and they got their doors blown off by Western Kentucky in the NIT first round.
But yet Syracuse, NC State, Florida State, and Miami benefit by losing to teams like them and by ducking mid-majors.

AS for me, this argument is over--Theix is in OR it is all terribly unfair to non Football teams and MUST be changed !!