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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:06 pm 
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My only pushback is Porter essentially is the founder of this company. It's not an employee leaving his employer to me.

I'm a lot closer to Brot than I am to all these people throwing flowers at the guy on his way out. What did he really build if the players transfer and we slide backwards. I think the view on his tenure is a lot more nuanced than just be happy it happened. Got to look at the full picture IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:12 pm 
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440Rambler wrote:
My only pushback is Porter essentially is the founder of this company. It's not an employee leaving his employer to me.

I'm a lot closer to Brot than I am to all these people throwing flowers at the guy on his way out. What did he really build if the players transfer and we slide backwards. I think the view on his tenure is a lot more nuanced than just be happy it happened. Got to look at the full picture IMO.


Founders and CEOs leave their companies too. And I didn't say he wasn't without fault, there woudln't be consequences, or we should "jsut be happy".

But calling him a deserter and calling his character into question seems a step to far to me.


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:12 pm 
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Sorry- MOSER is now but a footnote in RAMBLER history--He could have brought us to the top--Took guts to do this-- but NO He took $$$$

GO CUBS GO HAWKS


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:16 pm 
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brot4britu wrote:
Sorry- MOSER is now but a footnote in RAMBLER history--He could have brought us to the top--Took guts to do this-- but NO He took $$$$

GO CUBS GO HAWKS


That's a big ass footnote.


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:37 pm 
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Gee whiz maybe MOSER should have waited - ROY WILLIAMS just retired


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:36 am 
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6--how much money is enough ?? He was in a spot to bring LUC to the top--HE instead sold out--BUT enough of "beating a dead horse" that horse is NOW dead !!!
LUC will now hire a new Coach-I trust he will be a smash hit with INTEGRITY and wins a-plenty


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:20 am 
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Its hard to determine what contracts are in college coaching. LU is a private university and is required to disclose very little to the public. LU is not transparent in its development on any level. What information is disclosed shows LU is way behind in giving rates of alum and we are the largest Jesuit university. We do not know what went on over the past 3 years behind the scenes but OU's offer was easily double what LU offered. How would that make anyone feel when that is put on your plate. Georgetown doesn't have a problem with paying their coach a competitive rate and they are a smaller school. Try and ask what athletics or the university raised over the past 4 fours and compare it with other schools with lesser success. See if you get an answer. LU likes to throw out % but never lets you see the real numbers. Transparency and a clear goal of use of funds goes a long way. Porter built a program that brought 100's of millions of dollars in free publicity and was asked to take a deal that's half of what the other guy is offering.


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:59 am 
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I share your disappointment, but I think the criticism is unwarranted.

He did his job. He is not an indentured servant. He can leave if he wants.

He made the job better than it was. He won games. He attracted good recruits. He attracted good coaches. He graduated students. He made the school better than it was. You can't ask for anything more. Students, professors, administrators leave.

There are very few coaches who get to choose when they leave. Almost all of them get fired. A few leave for a better job. The world we grew up in - does not exist. No one works at a place for 40 years, gets a retirement party, a pension and a gold watch. The wait your turn thing died years ago. You can argue whether that is good or bad, but it is not the world we live in.

PM stayed at Loyola for 10 years and left for one of the best jobs in the country. He made us realize that LUC can be relevant. He made the job better than it was. We were the land of misfit toys. No one wanted us. Our coaches were never will be's or has been's. I think the only reason the MVC wanted us in the league was that so many MVC alumni live in Chicago. Each one of those schools circled that date for an alumni event. At our games, their alumni association could get together, go watch their team beat LU, and pay their alum dues. It was an alumni association's dream. It was like Northwestern football games in the 80s.

In my heart, I don't think he left for the money, the recruits or the facilities - don't get me wrong - they are all upgrades. He left because of the system. He realized that even in its best year - LUC was never going to get a break. We did all the right things. We tried to schedule the best teams. We improved our statistical ratings. We cruised through our league. We had no injuries. We did everything right and what did we get? A number eight seed. We didn't need to be one of the top 64 teams in the country. We had to be the top team at Arch Madness. It is no way to measure success.

Be like Gonzaga - That's an impossible standard. They have been winning for more than 20 years. It's like saying be like Job - there was only one Job - it's not for everyone.

In this run, I noticed the pain of our achilles heel. I heard it in his voice during one of the interviews he did. You could tell it was difficult for him. Beating Florida, Miami, Tennessee, Georgia Tech, Illinois all great wins - may have been the worse thing in the world for him. No P5 school is going to schedule LUC because there is nothing to gain. If the P5s win, they are suppose to win. If the P5's lose, their coaches are one step closer to losing their job.

As Bill Murray said in Meatballs, it just doesn't matter because the good looking girls we still go out with the guys from Camp Mohawk because they have all the money.


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:04 am 
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read an interesting article in Scientific American about narcissism, I know my greatest experiences have involved working with and for others. Down the road I have a vision of PM going back to Brunos on a return trip to Chicago and sitting at the bar with a short glass of Bud and no on recognizes him and he gets nostalgic and thinks about what could of been. But now he is the king of Norman ."OOOOk-lahoma, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain,And the wavin' wheat can sure smell sweet,
Maybe he just missed the home and home with the Wichita Shockers.
BROT...I stand with you.


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 Post subject: Re: major paradigm shift
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:53 am 
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Yes...that must be it. Porter is so narcissistic that he fails miserably at Oklahoma, retreats to Bruno’s for a warm embrace, but nobody remembers him and he is left crying in his Budweiser.

Give me a break.

Loyola Basketball 1986-2018 = Irrelevant.
Loyola Basketball 2018-2021= Final 4, Sweet 16.

Maybe he does fail at Oklahoma— but that Final Four Banner will always be hanging at the Gentile. And no matter what you think of him, he’s a hell of a coach that took a crappy Horizon league program to a National darling 2 times in 4 years.

I just don’t think it’s very narcissistic for somebody to take a job at a salary increase of at least 75% in one of the top conferences in the country.


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