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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:56 am 
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This was the first game that I did not watch one minute of. And thank the Sweet Lord above that I choose this game. Wow.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:19 am 
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What a joke and an embarrassment! I was at the game last night.Obviously the Ramblers couldn't "Play In Peoria".

This ranks as one of the 3 worst exhibitions of basketball that I have witnessed as an alum and a fan.The other 2 were the 86-79 loss to tiny Rockhurst in 2008 and the 66-29 shellacking at Wisconsin in 1998.

The turnovers,poor shooting,and lack of effort were very evident during last night's debacle.That is a bad Bradley team and we played like a bunch of Junior High Schoolers.I think 5 Gargoyles could have beat us last night.I'm glad I didn't wear any Rambler stuff last night.The Peorians would have laughed me out of the arena.So EMBARRASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm realizing more and more each day-Porter is not the answer to turning this program around.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:08 pm 
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I made two of my friends (who are both Loyola alums) watch the game with me yesterday. They were poking fun of me for being an LU basketball fan and for wasting their time.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:12 pm 
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Had planned to go Peoria being my hometown and all but something came up...thank god!!!!!!
3 things stood out.
1. Horrible game for jeff White...maybe pressing in front of his hometown crowd. Manual isnt to far from the Civic Center .
2. The minutes Osbourne played.....again. With little muscle inside we need this guy to play at least 3/4 of a game and we seldom get 20 minutes out of him due to foul trouble.
3. Turnover to assist ratio was unbelievably bad 23 turnovers to 6 assists
Thoughts
1. We are not a good man to man team. We have two important offensive players (Doyle and Turk) who are just a slow first step kind of guys defensively.
2. Jeff White is worn out and this is why PM is still recruiting guards
3.Osborne, Oleary are both playing out of position but true two centers on the team (King, Johnson) not ready for prime time but I would go with Johnson.King developing some nice offensive moves but still just way toooooo thin to bang for a whole lot of time.
4.Play zone more often especially when Turk is in the game. We have some long armed guys who should be able to play a little trapping zone of some nature. Doyle and Turk both have a nose for the ball but not so hot man to man
5. I think PM is a systems guy like Majarus was but we dont have the guys to play the system. Two options adapt the system to the players...get the players for the system. I think option 1 is easier at this point.
6. I am still a PM guy at this point having seen to many positive things so far. My guess is we would have been in 2nd or 3rd in the Horizon at this point.
GO RAMBLERS


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:12 pm 
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Ramblin Ray wrote:
I'm realizing more and more each day-Porter is not the answer to turning this program around.


I'm of that mentality as well, but to be fair, he does need two to three more years to truly prove himself. A real turnaround takes time, but if PM does not help us become a top 3 MVC team by the 2017, then we can move on. If we let go of PM, we better be ready to put our money where our mouth is and a hire a top notch assistant for a top ten basketball team.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:17 pm 
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LU Rambler12 wrote:
If we let go of PM, we better be ready to put our money where our mouth is and a hire a top notch assistant for a top ten basketball team.


That'll never happen

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:19 pm 
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smokeyjoe wrote:
I am still a PM guy at this point having seen to many positive things so far. My guess is we would have been in 2nd or 3rd in the Horizon at this point.


Yes, there have definitely been some positives, especially in regards to recruiting. We've missed on a few top notch recruits, but I don't recall Whitesell going after the same high caliber type of player.

In regards to our hypothetical HL standing, I would venture to say that we would not be higher than 5. We lost to some really terrible teams in the non-con.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:20 pm 
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GoRamblers wrote:
LU Rambler12 wrote:
If we let go of PM, we better be ready to put our money where our mouth is and a hire a top notch assistant from a top ten basketball team.


That'll never happen


Then we'll probably never become relevant in college basketball.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:35 pm 
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LU Rambler12 wrote:
GoRamblers wrote:
LU Rambler12 wrote:
If we let go of PM, we better be ready to put our money where our mouth is and a hire a top notch assistant from a top ten basketball team.


That'll never happen


Then we'll probably never become relevant in college basketball.


Sadly, I agree with this comment.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:21 pm 
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smokeyjoe wrote:
5. I think PM is a systems guy like Majarus was but we dont have the guys to play the system. Two options adapt the system to the players...get the players for the system. I think option 1 is easier at this point.


This is always something I've wondered about. Being a Loyola fan, the examples I saw most close up was the development of the Butler system (under Barry Collier), and to a smaller extent the unravelling of the Green Bay system (begun under Dick Bennett).

How do you know if a system is really viable if a coach hasn't won before? If the coach is weak on in-game adjustments, does it matter even matter if they have a system? Maybe I'm wrong, but it would seem to me that you could recruit from the juco level to find pieces for a system that would fit in right away. Sure, you only get them for two years, but at least via the juco route you're able to have a servicable placeholder in that spot as you develop younger recruits and discover/establish skill sets needed to work in those roles. And one would think that the earliest hint that your system is effective is by winning in conference, against teams you're more familiar with, that you get multiple shots at in a year.

At the beginning of the season, I was pretty convinced that our talent level was better than in past years. But I'm not even sure that's so anymore. Is Nick Osborne really developing? Matt O'Leary has kind of disappeared after the frostbite fiasco. Christian Thomas is a warrior, but is he able to play the spot he's filling in this league? I'm not convinced anymore. Is Jeff White developing, or getting worn down by playing 33 minutes a game at a strenuous position? Why is our bench so terribly weak nearly three full years into Moser's tenure?

We don't have any players over a generously-listed 6'5" that score more than 6 points per game-- no Jordan Hicks, no Ben Averkamp, no Walt Gibler, no Andy Polka. That seriously limits any kind of high-low game, and allows defenses to collapse on the two guys we have on the court who can score on a consistent basis. We're playing a walk-on who never shoots the ball almost twice as many minutes as a 6'10" redshirt freshman scholarship player, and our fourth highest player in minutes averages 4.8 ppg. Cody Johnson's playing time is a complete mystery-- I feel like consulting astrology charts to see if there's some sort of correllation. And I have no idea what the thought process is on Tony Nixon, either.


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