7'5 and 360 pounds...seems a big difference between King and the Bhullar boys.

I get it -- sometimes you get to a spot where you want a change and you can't stand watching the coaching or the way the team is playing.

I'm not there, I think PM is a good hire, talent level is increasing and the reality is this: MVC is a major step above the Horizon league. You could get away with O'Leary and guys like that in Horizon...not where they get exposed athletically night in night out in the Valley. I think you Gotta give rope with this move to a perennial basketball conference.

Personally, I thought O'Leary wasn't bad last year when I saw him. Seemed like a high energy guy with potential to be solid. Johnson never saw the court, but I thought he'd end up being a good piece for you guys. Or am I confusing O'Leary and Osbourne? It's been a while and I only saw a handful of games.

While 311 rebounds in a season as a freshman is impressive, James still has none against MVC level competition. For every Cleanthony Early, there are plenty who don't translate their numbers fully.

Plus, you could reasonably assume that (although they might not put up say the rebounding numbers that a 23 year old, 5th year senior would put up), Osborne, O'Leary, Johnson, and King could still improve* their play with more experience.

I also think the big picture of PM's 4th rebuilding season with young players and the fact that we are becoming IUPUI's farm team is more detrimental to the team than our depth forwards.

Right now, I would say our depth chart looks like this:
PG White / Dokubo / Porter
SG Crisman / Turk / Peterson / Richardson
SF Doyle / Ingram / Kennedy
PF Thomas / Knuth
C James / Rajala

We need 80 minutes from those 4 players. Thomas picked up 33 last year. That's 47 minutes left for James and Rajala. That also doesn't take foul trouble into consideration. If somebody gets in foul trouble, you're stuck with 2 regardless of how well they're playing. If one of them gets hurt, you're stuck with 2. If 2 of them are in foul trouble or get hurt, you have to move Knuth (a swing forward listed generously at 6'6, though some services were listing him at 6'4) to the post, which is not ideal. If you lose 3 to either injury or foul trouble, you are forced to go with 4 guards or it's Cal Kennedy time. $&^! hits the fan for many teams even if they have plenty of depth on paper at the beginning of the year; however, the whole point of recruiting in the off season is to try to make sure your team is ready with as many contingency plans as possible.

*If we had a good coach, this wouldn't be a problem.

WU-WU has it about right--It is the player-student's responsibility First and foremost--I am sure LUC would help (tutor) as much as it can according to the rules of LUC and NCAA. If a student does nopt show up or does nott study--well, BALL GAME !!

he is also correct when he says PM does not recruit Bigs as he should. Once he does get one, he does not seem to coach them--or have them coached. He was a guard--apparently thinks like a guard-- There is more to it than what he seems to be showing. When I see a BIG score over 12 a game and pull doe=wn 1o boards or so a game with assists , then I shall say , he is recruiting and coaching BIGS.

As it is what he has appears to be improving as a team--We shall see. THIS must be the year to show vast improvement