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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:25 pm 
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https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/college-game-spot-price
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/ncaa-tournament-run-can-mean-billions-school-n320876
Excellent piece on NCAA ad revenue and what it meant for Butler and George Mason.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:44 pm 
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Need to increase athletics budget. Simple as that. Our endowment is larger than DePaul's. Larger than Villanova's. Larger than Xavier's. Significantly larger than Gonzaga's. Larger than Marquette's.

This Final Four run and future basketball success will produce better returns than any investment. If our BoT cannot recognize that, and does not make an extension possible, I will absolutely cut off my annual donations to the university. Right now, I make an annual contribution to the general university fund for scholarships and such but plan on also making annual gifts to the athletics fund if the school shows it is committed on its end.

This is not the time for bureaucratic incompetence.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:41 am 
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Here's the good part: Porters track record isn't a shining example of success. If you were going on this year thats a gamble for any school who will shell out a multi-million dollar package.



Really? How can a track record with a team reaching the final four not be a shining sample of success?

Once again I fear that many on this board are actually upset that he is basking in a final four run. Give the guy some props. Loyola, home of 1400 a game attendance and total administrative apathy towards the program goes to the final four 7 years after hiring him. It is amazing and he should be given credit.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:08 am 
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Here's the good part: Porters track record isn't a shining example of success. If you were going on this year thats a gamble for any school who will shell out a multi-million dollar package.



Really? How can a track record with a team reaching the final four not be a shining sample of success?

Once again I fear that many on this board are actually upset that he is basking in a final four run. Give the guy some props. Loyola, home of 1400 a game attendance and total administrative apathy towards the program goes to the final four 7 years after hiring him. It is amazing and he should be given credit.


I think what he means is that his record prior to this year hasn't been great. Yes, he took us to the Final Four. Is it an outlier? Remains to be seen. I don't think any of us want it to be an outlier. That said, up until this year, most everyone (i'll admit it, myself included) had been calling for his head.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:19 am 
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Could it be that the PM haters were wrong?

Final 4 coaches since 3 pt stripe. 1 Final Four Appearance Only

Dana Altman
Rick Barnes
Dick Bennet
John Brady
PJ Carlesimo
Tom Crean
Mike Davis
Steve Fisher
Mark Few
Jim Harrick
Paul Hewitt
Jim Larranaga
Rick Majerus
Gregg marshall
Frank Martin
Kevin Ollie
Kelvin Sampson
Shaka Smart
John Thompson III
Billy Tubbs
Bruce Weber

And NONE of these coaches had attendance and budget issues that PM has. I am amazed by the comments that he still has something to prove. My god -- its the FINAL 4. The fact that we won the MVC is amazing in itself. That alone should warrant a big raise. The fact that we went to the FINAL 4 is mindblowing.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:30 am 
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rambling16 wrote:
Could it be that the PM haters were wrong?

Final 4 coaches since 3 pt stripe. 1 Final Four Appearance Only

Dana Altman
Rick Barnes
Dick Bennet
John Brady
PJ Carlesimo
Tom Crean
Mike Davis
Steve Fisher
Mark Few
Jim Harrick
Paul Hewitt
Jim Larranaga
Rick Majerus
Gregg marshall
Frank Martin
Kevin Ollie
Kelvin Sampson
Shaka Smart
John Thompson III
Billy Tubbs
Bruce Weber

And NONE of these coaches had attendance and budget issues that PM has. I am amazed by the comments that he still has something to prove. My god -- its the FINAL 4. The fact that we won the MVC is amazing in itself. That alone should warrant a big raise. The fact that we went to the FINAL 4 is mindblowing.


I don't think anyone on here is hating on PM. Just pointing out that a P5 program may wait another year before throwing millions of dollars at him given his record prior to this season. Think there is a pretty firm consensus on this board that we want the school to pay him his worth and lock him up.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:33 am 
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I readily admit that I was NOT in PMs corner UNTIL the Kent St game in 2016, I believe. I truly got behind him then and have been ever since !--Now then we are all impatient--BUT I really think now we still have folks at the top in Administration who do NOT believe in BIG TIME ATHLETICS and the benefits it brings- IF the hold up on PMS contract is THAT, I soon will have to fold-- I really trusted that FR G got us going--IF we regress after what this TEAM LED BY PORTER DID this past season, MY friends I will resign from ALL things LOYOLA--I feel that strongly.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:58 am 
I am equally proud of the academic improvements at LU....and do not want to throw out the baby with the bath water.....I do not want to be Tennessee...and so I for one believe that the salary can not be an at all costs. However I really want to see Porter back at LU for a long time because I think he gets Loyola, that it is an academic institution who now has an equal athletic program. If Porter has decided he wants to be a P5 coach then money will not keep him. There will be a Correct number that will keep Coach and wont overthrow the balance at LU between being a top rate academic institution and a top rate athletic program.
On a side note Loyola Seniors will hold their Academic Symposium on April 21st, where students present their research, internships etc . to the public. It is pretty darn impressive. They are always looking for alumni evaluators.....you can find info through the Alumni Department......2018 Undergraduate Research & Engagement Symposium


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What I think is interesting is there are really no “good “jobs to be had right now. Porter has already stated that he does not want to move backwards, which I can only assume that he does not want to do another rebuild at any level. The NCAA investigation may or may not have a role in what happens. The way I look at it, the programs that would be willing to offer him a lot of money to come there are not going to be programs that are situated to be the best in their respective conferences next year. Somebody would have to leave or be removed from a top program, in my opinion, in order to have an enticing job where he could win. I think the only thing any school wanting a new coach could offer him is money. Porter is set up to win next year at Loyola. He didn’t graduate five starters or anything like that, which would make his hopes of getting back to the NCAA tournament virtually zero. Even if we are a one bid league next year, we are still going to be the front runner to make the NCAA tournament. His chances to build on success from this year are still going to be best at Loyola if he stays.

I still think he’s coming back. The money will work itself out - at least for next year.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:19 am 
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rambling16 wrote:
Could it be that the PM haters were wrong?


Yes, and I think we all admit it.

The knock on Porter wasn't his personality...he's an extremely likable guy. In fact, that had always been his strong suit. But when you look at his records (overall and conference), the scouting report shows that he may do well out of conference but that he ultimately would fade. I think this year was the first year he had a winning record in the Valley.

Again, I admit I was wrong on him. Regardless of his past, I think he is the right coach for Loyola. But what makes him a good coach for Loyola does not make him a good coach for another program. If he repeats the success of this year, we'll see a real push for him. That's why Loyola needs to figure out his contract situation as soon as possible. Don't give him any ammunition to throw back in our face. By that, I mean, if he got an offer next year to coach, say, Boston College. I don't want him to say "well you dragged out my contract process and that shows me that you don't really want me around"

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